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Amphitheatre will seat 1,950

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Posted By MIKE WHITEHOUSE THE SUDBURY STAR

Posted 1 month ago

If there is confusion about the capacity of the rebuilt Grace Hartman Amphitheatre, there shouldn't be, project organizers say.

The capacity of the new venue being built at Bell Park, along with the number of fixed seats it will offer, has not changed and isn't going to. Construction began this week and will be wrapped up in March 2011.

Original designs for the venue called for a capacity of 1,750, roughly the same as the old amphitheatre. That would include 400 fixed seats near the stage and the rest fanned out on a grassed bowl suitable for blankets or lawn chairs. That figure was based partly on the scale of Bell Park and the budget of $5 million, project architect Dennis Castellan said.

In March, after consulting with user groups, the capacity was increased to 1,950, with the same number of fixed seats. After also hearing from user groups, councillors asked for a lot more fixed seating, but Castellan says the design concept won't accommodate much more than 450.

The city has applied to the Northern Ontario Heritage Fund Corp. for $833,000 for enhancements. That includes $300,000 for the additional seating, $125,000 for roof footings that will be built now, leaving $358,000 set aside to help pay for a $2.4 million canopy roof at some point in the future.

The city expects to hear about its funding request shortly, Chris Gore, manager of community partnerships, says.

Even with the funding, capacity will be capped at 1,950 patrons with 450 of those in fixed seats, Gore said.

Some of the user groups have made it clear they had hoped for greater capacity, up to 3,000, and a lot more fixed seating.

Derek Young, organizer of the Celtic Festival and Highland Games and a candidate for mayor in the Oct. 25 municipal election, said many groups still feel like they haven't been consulted.

While the relocated amphitheatre will be a significant improvement over the old one, it isn't big enough for its largest users.

Only three years ago, Northern Lights Festival Boreal sold 3,500 tickets for Blue Rodeo on the main stage, at that time a large tent in the parking lot.

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However, neither the scale of the park setting nor the project's budget will allow for that, Castellan said. And even if they did, such a venue would not meet the needs of others.

Indeed, the planned venue will be of use to many more groups than the old one, Gore says.

The new amphitheatre -- with its winged stage and built-in sound system -- will suit theatre and dance troupes, school and cultural groups and local choirs, he said.

Castellan said it's best not to think of it just as a concert venue, but rather as a performance centre with the focus on flexibility and precision sound.

"What we're building is a room, a theatre room," he said.

"But this one is outside, with sky instead of a ceiling."

mwhitehouse@thesudburystar.com

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Its a shame that the city didn't take this opportunity to build a proper and much bigger amphitheater that could attract much larger acts.

Post #1 By Proud Francophone 2, 1 month ago | 0 Votes | Vote: Thumbs Up Thumbs Down

Why build it so small? I guess the bigger acts will be played at laurentian university.What a joke.

Post #2 By hulk, 1 month ago | 0 Votes | Vote: Thumbs Up Thumbs Down

Here we go again with the complaints. As if any of you would actually attend a concert at Bell Park or anywhere else, for that matter. But hey......................​....

Post #3 By lanny, 1 month ago | 0 Votes | Vote: Thumbs Up Thumbs Down

Went to see Rush a couple of weekends ago. I guarantee wou wont see them at a 1900 half seat venue. Iff you build it they will come lanny (a.k.a jRod)

Post #4 By joe mama, 1 month ago | 0 Votes | Vote: Thumbs Up Thumbs Down

Oh really mama. I saw Rush, and other groups, at much smaller venues than that. But then again, I do get out often, and not only in Sudbury. And speaking of a.k.a.... lobo, mucker, and all 200 hundred others, just keep 'em coming you're amusing to so many, (except the Star.) LOL

Post #5 By lanny, 1 month ago | 0 Votes | Vote: Thumbs Up Thumbs Down

back to J Rods shoes lanny.

Post #6 By Oh!Really!, 1 month ago | 0 Votes | Vote: Thumbs Up Thumbs Down

Lanny, it doesn't matter. If someone says black you say white. I only have this username. But I can boast that I have many deleted posts. Probably enough for all my other supposed characters. lol. The Star just does not apreciate my point of vue sometimes. Bless you Brian.

Post #7 By joe mama, 1 month ago | 0 Votes | Vote: Thumbs Up Thumbs Down

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Post #8 By joe mama, 1 month ago | 0 Votes | Vote: Thumbs Up Thumbs Down

Oh it's not your point of view mama...they don't give a damn about what YOU say or think, believe me. And as far as the black and white comment...I just happen to be an informed, positive, optimistic person; unlike the bandwagon, pessimistic, no-mind-of-their-own crew on here that have done little and have seen even less. Thank goodness for the the internet eh?

Post #9 By lanny, 1 month ago | 0 Votes | Vote: Thumbs Up Thumbs Down

k get this I work as a concert tech @ the arena & every band in the world has whats called a "Tech or Technical Ryder". In this document it says what there requirements are be it power, sound, lighting all that good stuff. So if the city installs a "Permanent sound system" they expect big bands to play with the in house gear. Not gonna happen bands will see this & say meet what we need/ask for or we walk. No need for a installed sound system, bring your own. And as for pulling seats thats just wrong add more is the right thing to do. But that's Logic & guess what it doesn't seam to exist in the local Govt.

Post #10 By DJ Lil' Snoop, 1 month ago | 0 Votes | Vote: Thumbs Up Thumbs Down

You should know teckie, that a "permanent sound system" can be bypassed.

Post #11 By lanny, 1 month ago | 0 Votes | Vote: Thumbs Up Thumbs Down

DJ ..... do you have any idea what is proposed for the permanent house system and the cost. What is the expected life expectancy of this equipment. I understand the Technical Rider requirements - so are you saying that the permanent system is redundant?

Post #12 By Oh!Really!, 1 month ago | 0 Votes | Vote: Thumbs Up Thumbs Down

Does the bus driver and the 13 fools have reserved front row seats?

Post #13 By Top Gun, 1 month ago | 0 Votes | Vote: Thumbs Up Thumbs Down

You guys should just ask Lanny, he knows everything. He's been everywhere and has done everything. But he still manages to log in 12 hours per day on this and NL site.

Post #14 By joe mama, 1 month ago | 0 Votes | Vote: Thumbs Up Thumbs Down

Lanny - Yes I understand that a permanent install can be bypassed but why install it if its only going to get used once in a blue moon if ever at all. waste of cash.

Oh!Really! - No idea what the proposed system will be, could be big could be small & haven't heard anything about the cost of the system. Hey Sudbury Star don't make me do your job for ya, here's another story to look into. Yes the system is redundant. I offer the following argument. Lets say "Kiss" or your favorite group/musician. Comes to play there if they are "On tour" they will have there own gear/equipment & wouldn't use the city's. If there doing whats called "a one off" then it is the responsibility of the promoter (I.E. Summer Fest, Northern lights festival , etc.) to rent/acquire the appropriate system(s). So YES The installation of a permanent sound system would be redundant & a waste of our money.

Post #15 By DJ Lil' Snoop, 1 month ago | 0 Votes | Vote: Thumbs Up Thumbs Down

Really DJ, if a permanent system is installed it will be used, and used often. The amphitheatre was intended for smaller more intimate gatherings. The arena will continue to be used for larger concerts until a new facility is built. Again 'teckie', you should know that. Me thinks you're just lookimg to feed the malcontented, and it doesn't take much.


Post #16 By lanny, 1 month ago | 0 Votes | Vote: Thumbs Up Thumbs Down

I think that the amphitheatre was fine the way it was, it was structuraly sound and Bell Park concert goers would file in and sit shoulder to shoulder and enjoy themselves.I think thie whole fiasca is a total waste of money first of all and secondly now that Northern Lights has had a horrible year due to this whole fiasco it is very likely that no matter what is done to Bell Park the numbers will continue to fall and sooner than later will no longer exist.If it isnt broken why fix it?????

Post #17 By lorraineg8667, 1 month ago | 0 Votes | Vote: Thumbs Up Thumbs Down
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